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    53/54 C/K fender vents

    I am having problems with the right fender vent control in a 53 coupe. It is one of those simple mechanical contrivances that become maddeningly difficult and make me feel stupid. I can get the vent door to open and close perfectly, but cannot figure out how the crank handle mounted under the dash on the steel horizontal stabilizing bar can maintain the door open against the spring tension. There appears to be no detente on the little handle's bracket to hold the crank in the open position, such that the door stays open. The spring hooks onto the door- rod in it's middle, where there is a slight wiggle in the rod, but there is no place to attach the other end of the spring, no small hole in the duct, and no attachment point, so I have it temporarily hooked to one of the inside vent- door sheet metal screw attachment points to maintain tension while I try and figure it out. the exploded diagram in the parts book is relatively useless in sorting it all out. The pivot rod stops against the kick panel sheet metal when the outside vent-door is maximally open, but I cant figure out how to keep it there...

    I must have something mounted backwards, perhaps.There are a couple of ways the handle can be mounted on the dash stabilizing bar, and the 'reach rod' that hooks the control handle to the pivot on the kick panel sheet metal can mount either of two ways, also. If anyone had a photo or drawing of how the components go together, I'd really be grateful..... thanks, m weiss.

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    The passenger side spring is longer than the driver side one. Also, the rod with the dip in it that the spring hooks to is a different length than the driver side one although they appear similar. The dip is in a different spot too. So, make sure you have the correct parts there.... It so happens I had a drawing of this stuff readily available for upload

    The passenger side spring hooks through the drain hole in the bottom center of the clam-shell duct for the passenger side. The driver side one with the short spring hooks to a tab that sticks up.

    If the parts are all correct and attached correctly, the door will not snap either open or shut but will be sort of neutral through its motions.

    HTH
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    Jeff- thank you so much. I am impressed with the blueprint- type drawing. I have the correct springs, correct rod setup, that's all correctly assembled. . I have to recheck my installation tonight, but there is no drain hole in the bottom of the duct; I've looked for it. I can't imagine I mounted the duct tube upside down, I think it only goes in one way, it was angled for the original blower to mount high in the inner fender. I removed that blower , for other reasons. . May be that rust or some debris is in the hole. I think my temporary spring is what is causing the problem, making it snap closed. I may just have to drill a small hole in the bottom of the duct. How close to the inside kick-panel sheet metal , is that spring attachment hole? is it just barely inside ? thanks again- manny

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    Hopefully this makes some sense..... And, for anyone else reading this I'll add some detail I am sure you already know.

    The duct (if its a orginal metal one) is a clam shell design. There are 2 pcs to it. There are 3 bolts or screws on the top and 3 on the bottom to clamp the 2 halves around the flanges on the kickpanel of the car body and the fender. A foam rubber gasket gets glued to the body flange and another to the fender. Then when the duct halves are fitted on there are 2 flat foam gaskets that are squeezed between the flanges on the clam shell where those bolts are. The bottom of each half of the clam shell has a notch stamped into it so it makes for a little drain. The spring gets snaked into that. Its about in the middle I would say.

    So, the spring is not attached at the bottom to either the car body or the fender. Its attached to the duct itself in the center between the body flange and the fender flange. I put together a quick sketch but I don't think its quite correct since I am showing the spring going through the whole clam shell flange. It should hook through that drain notch at the 90 deg bend where the duct flange is.

    If you don't have a drain (could be covered up with undercoating or tar) you cold drill a small hold near the flange in the center.

    If the spring is attached too far inside the car, it will tend to pull he door shut. The dip in the rod and the spring attachement in the duct at the bottom should sort of line up so that the spring ends up pretty much straight up and down and not angled I think.

    I attached a picture I had but its not the best as it does not show the bottom of the spring.

    On my car, the lever under the dash goes "over center" right when the door is closed against the fender so it stays shut. As its opened, it moves smoothly and will stay pretty well in any position. The spring neither pulls it open or shut.

    Like you I was pulling my hair out with this to figure out where that spring went. All my duct parts were hopelessly rusted away when I took the car apart and the parts books drawings were not too useful. I acquired good used parts and when cleaned up that drain/notch was visible.

    I gotta say that these vent doors are really "mickey mouse" in their design. The amount of parts and labor to get them assembled and all the fussy adjustments must have been a small nightmare on the production line.
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    Nice pic, i printed a copy for future referance for myself, thanks.

    Is there supposed to be an inner door on the drivers side? I don't have one and it seems odd to me.

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    No door on driver's side, but there is a screen. The reason for the passenger side door is to determine how the heat or outside air will be diverted. Outside door open and inside door open "fresh air" is forced in to cabin.
    Outside door open, inside door closed, air is forced into the duct work for the Climatizer. You can also cheat a bit by cracking the inside door open about an inch or so when heating the car to add some fresh air in. Also you need to crack open the vent window about 3/4 inch to have hot air drawn into cabin from under the seat.

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    Jeff- thanks a million, again. i live near bill fennessee, he knows theses parts cold, and is a big vendor for various stude things, esp rubber. He and I went over this, he also said the same about the attachment. I had the ductwork apart, I suspect I have that groove at the top, I could feel it, rather than at the bottom. I don't quite see how, because the thing really goes together and fits inside only one way. The easiest will be to just drill a little hole and attach the spring there. I actually have a 56 hawk dash in this 53, so the reach rod is a little longer on the hawk, because of the difference in the glove boxes; so I have to move the bracket attachment on the dash a little to the left. I knew this, but didn't want to start modifying things until I understood the damn thing better. If i read you correctly, open vent is lever to the left, closed vent is lever to the right. I think putting the spring attachment lower, and using the correct spring with the right rate constant will get it right. You've been a huge help, and thanks for all the effort with drawings, etc. On my other 53, I actually welded the things in, and completely effaced them with bodywork, it makes the car look better, but as mickey mouse as they really are, they work, and that car gets way hot and the ventilation is really missed. I thought better of it this time around. - thanks, m weiss

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    Suggestion about heat, or how to lower it. Since I imagine you are down to bare floor. Buy some of that "Dynamat" it lowers heat and lowers sound. I have had it in my Hawk for about 4 or 5 years and it makes it a bit more bearable to drive in NY traffic during July and August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondobilly View Post
    No door on driver's side, but there is a screen. The reason for the passenger side door is to determine how the heat or outside air will be diverted. Outside door open and inside door open "fresh air" is forced in to cabin.
    Outside door open, inside door closed, air is forced into the duct work for the Climatizer. You can also cheat a bit by cracking the inside door open about an inch or so when heating the car to add some fresh air in. Also you need to crack open the vent window about 3/4 inch to have hot air drawn into cabin from under the seat.
    Thanks, you've confirmed what I thought, I didn't know about the different openings effect on things tho, so thats good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrobertweiss View Post
    Jeff- thanks a million, again. i live near bill fennessee, he knows theses parts cold, and is a big vendor for various stude things, esp rubber. He and I went over this, he also said the same about the attachment. I had the ductwork apart, I suspect I have that groove at the top, I could feel it, rather than at the bottom. I don't quite see how, because the thing really goes together and fits inside only one way. The easiest will be to just drill a little hole and attach the spring there. I actually have a 56 hawk dash in this 53, so the reach rod is a little longer on the hawk, because of the difference in the glove boxes; so I have to move the bracket attachment on the dash a little to the left. I knew this, but didn't want to start modifying things until I understood the damn thing better. If i read you correctly, open vent is lever to the left, closed vent is lever to the right. I think putting the spring attachment lower, and using the correct spring with the right rate constant will get it right. You've been a huge help, and thanks for all the effort with drawings, etc. On my other 53, I actually welded the things in, and completely effaced them with bodywork, it makes the car look better, but as mickey mouse as they really are, they work, and that car gets way hot and the ventilation is really missed. I thought better of it this time around. - thanks, m weiss
    When installing the 56 dash in a 53, is the reach rod the only other 56 piece you need for the vent? I've got a 56 dash waiting to be installed.

    john

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    John: In the process now, of doing this. It looks like the bracket just needs to be remounted about an inch to the left. If you look at the parts book, there are several rods listed for the different 53-58 models. The different gloveboxes and the dash designs account for this.

    As for dynamat, I think its pretty worthless for heat control; I have it in another 53, it's just butyl 5 mm thick with foil. Its good for sound control, really. The best is a ceramic filled foil, insulshield, and there are others that are similar, heatshieldproducts.com. I would not use dynamat on anything but the inside roof, or door panels. It is again, worthless for firewall and real heat control..... thanks m weiss

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