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    Extremely rare granatelli engine for sale at york

    One of a kind engine for sale at york-please pm
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    Man! That thing looks great! How 'bout "the details." (Gotta be a story.)

    However, my "one of a kind" lowball offer would render a pm unnecessary.

    I hope someone with sufficient resources shows up to claim it.
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    I an not familiar with Studebaker performance engines. What make/model/brand are those exhaust manifolds?
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    Do you know the number offhand?
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    Story? Specs?? $$$$$$???

    Inquiring minds would like to know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioRoy View Post
    I an not familiar with Studebaker performance engines. What make/model/brand are those exhaust manifolds?
    Just stock Studebaker R3 and R4 Manifolds or Lionel Stone reproductions of same.
    These were optional on all '64 V8's, though I seriously doubt ANY were ever Factory Installed.
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    “one of a kind”
    342 cubic inch studebaker short block
    please see video of short block build
    roller cam-see spec sheet
    nos-original r3 heads-cc’d-ports matched from paxton products
    original r3 valve covers
    newly chromed valve cover oil caps
    new copper head gaskets
    incorrect intake manifold
    nos-original new r3 pressure box
    original used r3 carburetor-#3808
    r2 distributor with advance plate locked
    bronze distributor gear
    new accell spark plug wires
    new paxton novi gss supercharger
    nos supercharger pulley
    nos supercharger mount
    nos “l” bracket
    nos supercharger idler arm
    nos idler arm spring and bushings
    nos idler arm pulley
    new repop avanti ho crank pulley
    new avanti water pump
    nos ho water pump pulley
    nos thermostat housing
    new 170 themostat
    used avanti water manifold
    used lark/hawk style fan
    used viscous fan drive
    used 41 amp. Alternator
    used ho alternator pulley
    used-rebuilt r2 fuel pump
    nos-original cast iron headers
    nos transigniter ignition
    nos studebaker oil filter
    new-findanza aluminum flywheel
    new-ram 975 ceramic clutch disc
    new-ram 403 pressure plate (2800 lbs)
    this complete display is for sale as shown

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    Unicorns DO exist!! I wish I could afford this one.....

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    Auction scenario or its there a price on it?

    That thing is beautiful.

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    OK.
    Please explain the 'Granatelli Engine' description in the header.

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    How much and exactly where?

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    Nahhhhh.. Just timing...
    Marketing 301. Don't put it all out there at once. Do that slow buildup to York...
    Tis' smart....



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    The block has the granatelli name stamped on the top in front of the valley pan on the passenger side.notice it does not have freeze plugs and on the rear on top where the bellhousing mounts, there is no dish in the casting, it is solid. Very strong block
    taking offers on pm, and taking bids at york ie ebay type bids.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00RACER View Post
    The block has the granatelli name stamped on the top in front of the valley pan on the passenger side.notice it does not have freeze plugs and on the rear on top where the bellhousing mounts, there is no dish in the casting, it is solid. Very strong block
    taking offers on pm, and taking bids at york ie ebay type bids.
    Thanks
    Paul,
    Why not put it on ebay, have it end Saturday during the Meet, let the World bid on it and show it live on your laptop?
    Just a thought.
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    For those who want a closer look of the block and what Paul was saying about the name stamp and other peculiarities.

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    Great pics, thanks Len! Is the deck height 'standard', or did these blocks have an increased deck height?
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    It would be interesting to see inside the water jackets with a bore scope. I saw this block at Nimishs' house in Atlanta. He has come up with some neat stuff.
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    "342 cubic inch studebaker short block
    please see video of short block build"

    Link ?
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    Video will be shown on computer at show

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEEPNHOCK View Post
    Nahhhhh.. Just timing...
    Marketing 301. Don't put it all out there at once. Do that slow buildup to York...
    Tis' smart....
    More crickets!

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    What's the current high bid so I know if I should even bother?
    I'd rather be driving my Studebaker!


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    Quote Originally Posted by r1lark View Post
    Great pics, thanks Len! Is the deck height 'standard', or did these blocks have an increased deck height?
    I don't know much about this engine except communicating with Paul about it in August 2013. He sent me the pics.

    I've been waiting for the end result and I must say I would own it if I had the cash.

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    This really IS a very "Special" block for sure. Not only No Core Plugs, but the Casting number is usually where "Granatelli" is stamped.


    Well lets see, Genuine Original 304.5 c.i.d. R3's are rumored to be pushing $100,000.00, so a Paxton Custom, one of a kind "342" is worth?
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    I will take offers on my pm. Please provide your name,phone number and offer. The pictures do not do this display justice as you will see at york. I am sure when you see it your offer will be substantially higher, but you be the judge
    thanks

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    No core plugs. Must have made for an 'interesting' time getting the casting sand out.

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    All that and why would the heads be left rusty bare metal???

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    Must be a cricket convention!!

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    The heads were left as is because that is the way they were shipped from paxton. I did not want to take away anything from originality. If you noticed the wooden crates in the background, you would appreciate the original pieces. I am assuming the people that ask these questions are not going to bid on a classic piece

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    So the rare curiosity finally comes out of decades of obscurity, ....and should pass back into obscurity, questions unasked because those that would ask might not bid?

    Not a chance that I'd be bidding. But having a life time of interest in all things Studebaker, the details of such a rare piece, and what 'might have been' are intriguing.

    Can't help but wonder about all the details not revealed. Bore and Stroke? Lifter valley masked off, what is out of sight, any additional valley reinforcement?

    Obviously strong block, but are the cylinder walls any thicker than a standard Full-Flo block? Has the short block ever been ran, or re-bored?

    A 'common' R-3 is 'classic' as most Stude folks are familiar with it. This one is so rare that it is not as much a 'classic' as it is a relatively unknown unobtainium oddity or anomaly. Howbeit certainly a good and extremely desirable one.
    "One of a kind", Was this the only Granatelli 342 that was cast? or the only one known to survive?

    Will it spend another fifty years on an engine stand, all that potential untapped? All too likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie J. View Post
    No core plugs. Must have made for an 'interesting' time getting the casting sand out.
    The real question is how were the cores held in place to cast the block?
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    Core shift had became a problem in the late Full-Flow castings. I'd guess that such considerations would be purely academic with this block now,
    But can't help but wonder if that was one of the problems that Granatelli was intent on addressing with this new casting.
    Seems like it would be with the high rejection rate on the R-3s 'selected' standard blocks.

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    One story heard a long tome ago was that there were several blocks left outside the foundry in a pile of loose material.
    These were never machined/fully machined. Hence no welch plug holes.

    I have seen this block in person...years ago.
    Can't add anything, or take anything away from the story, or the offering.
    One small item. The part number for the Chrysler roller lifters is no longer a good part number.
    All that would mean is that a replacement lifter would be hard to come by (odds of that are rare).

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    The engine 'disappeared' early Saturday afternoon from York, as quickly as it appeared that morning?????? stupak

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    Quote Originally Posted by stupak View Post
    The engine 'disappeared' ... as quickly as it appeared that morning??????
    I believe Paul realized the attendees at York are more CASO than the high rollers he had hoped.
    Perhaps Hemmings would be a better venue.

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    I think you mean Friday afternoon.

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    Studefan: YES.....Friday, not Saturday. Time flies when you're having fun!!! stupak

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    I saw it rolled in Friday morning, then I saw it leaving about mid afternoon.
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    Be a nice office or man cave item but at the dollar figure you sure wouldn't want to fire it up and head down the drag strip unless you have more money than brains.

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