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The JTN is intended to provide a link among owners and enthusiasts of the R1, R2, R3 and R4 powered Studebaker Larks and Hawks built for 1963 and 1964. We seek not only information about surviving cars but also parts which exist from ĒpartedĒ units. Please submit all the data of which you are aware on any of the nearly 2000 such cars built. Feel free to make copies of this notice to share with others who may be interested.††

 

If you are the owner of a previously unreported JT car, the owner of a removed JT engine, the locator of a parted JT car, or if you can refer the JTN to such an owner, you will be sent a one time, gratis issue for your effort. Please write, call or email. Please do not send funds for 2005 subscription. This issue is the last hard copy distribution.

 

 

EDITOR & ROSTER KEEPER.....G.J. (Ron) Ellerbe, P.O. Box 1783, Simi Valley, CA 93062 †††††††††

Phone: (805)-522-4544†††††† Email: ellerbe@pacbell.net

 

Paid subscribers: 175

 

Founding Editor: Don Curtis†† Past Editor: George Krem

 

 

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JT Production Lists by Serial Number

These listings tabulate all cars built by serial and engine number and a few additional details. They are useful for determining the factory original state of that JT car and/or JT engine origins. The 1964 list has more information on each car than the 1963 list.

 

JT Owners Rosters: A single package contains the following 3 rosters: 1) owners of 1963 JT cars,2) owners of 1964 JT cars, and 3) owners of engines pulled from JT cars.

 

JT 1963 Production Listing

$10

JT 1964 Production Listing

$10

JT Owner Rosters

$10

 

To order any of the above, make checks payable to the editor and remit to same.

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All address corrections should be sent to the editor.

 

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If you have a JT car to report, please supply the editor with the year, model, body style, VIN (driverís door post), body # (firewall), engine type, engine # (top of block on driverís side), transmission, interior and exterior colors. If itís a í63, please note if it has front fender badges and 160mph speedometer. Send a photo. For a loose JT or JTS engine, send the engine # and any info on the donor car.

 


The Mission of the Jet Thrust News

A permanent goal of the JTN is the maintenance of the owner rosters of Ď63 and Ď64 JT cars and loose engines. These 3 rosters are published on the PC. Reports of JT cars that the JTN receives go into the rosters. That includes changes of ownership, engine transplants, survivor discoveries and news of parted and crushed vehicles. ďLooseĒ means the engine is no longer in its original car. The roster trio is available as shown on the title page. The JTN keeps a library of photos and build sheets. Please send JTN your photos and build sheet along with that JT story. With the aid of the readership, we do our best to track down sightings and reports of JT equipped cars. JTN counts on its readers to report such sightings and to aid in identification. Another part of the JTN mission is sharing of technical and historical information about Studebaker high performance from South Bend and Paxton Products during the 1963 and 1964 model years.

 

Photocopies of back issues are available. $25 for a set of issues #1 - #21, postpaid. Contact your editor.

 

 

Roster News

Surviving cars found since the last issue

Owner

Car

Owner

Car

Jeff Grohs

63V9019 R2 GT Hawk

Bob Miles

63V19568 R1 Cruiser

(S) Malcolm Berry

63V19109 R2 GT Hawk

aloe*97

63V10284 R2 GT Hawk

Nelson Bove

64V1450 R1 GT Hawk

(S)Bob Palma

64V11104 R1 Daytona 4 door

Jerry Blount

64V14491 R1 Cruiser

Jack Rupard

63V8436 R2 GT Hawk

James Bell

63V23972 R2 GT Hawk

 

 

(S) indicates source of info, not owner

 

Found engines

Owner

Number

Wayne Limbaugh

JT1084 out of 63V3537 GT Hawk

 

Cars sold

Owner

Car

Last owner

Nelson Bove

63V6177 R2 GT Hawk

Bruce Bennet

Mike Myer

63V24760 R1 GT Hawk

Bruce Bennet

Scott Cawley

63V8546 R2 Convertible

Mike Parker

Jim Porterfield

64V14327 R2 Daytona Hardtop

Torrey Kirby

Russell McCauley

64V5151 R2 Daytona Hardtop

John Poulos

John Hollier

64V6523 R1 GT Hawk

Ken Voigt

Robert Young

64V3392 R1 GT Hawk

John McClung

Roger Bawdon

64V1378 R1 Daytona Hardtop

Bob Helm

James Bell and 63V23972

James has acquired the first R2 package Powershift GT Hawk. The car was found in Wisconsin and had originally been sold in Los Angeles. Itís white, is mostly intact and needs a serious restoration. James observes that of the four white R2 package GT Hawks made for 1963, only the first 4 speed, 63V23914, remains at large. George Krem came through with a production order for 23972.

Hemmings Muscle Machines on the R3 Commander

The August edition of Hemmings Muscle Machines included an article on Nelson Boveís R3 Commander. The magazine didnít publish some of Nelsonís commentary on Big 3 muscle. Nelsonís unpublished words are quoted directly here.

 

I think I grew up with gasoline in my blood. I've been infatuated with cars as long as I can remember. At fifteen, my father bought me a 1936 Cadillac conv to restore. At sixteen, I bought my first car, a 1939 Ford. At seventeen, I bought my first Studebaker, A 1955 Speedster. I owned this a very short period of time as I found a 1963 Stude GT Hawk with a R1 Avanti engine and four speed. It had a full set of direct reading Stewart Warner instuments, including a tach; all glowed red at night. It had bucket seats, and a powerful engine that sounded awesome. I loved the car, but, my friends drove Chevies, Ford and Chrysler products. My car was generally at the root of many jokes. It got to the point where I actually thought something was wrong with a Studebaker, although I didn't know what it was. 

 

I kept the Hawk through college and finally sold it, as the Midwest rust finally did it in. After college I got a job as an engineer and finally started making some real money. Unmarried at the time and with few expenses, I thought I might as well experience as many of the old high performance "brand X's" as I could and see what I had missed. So for about five years I bought and drove a wide variety of 60's and 70's muscle cars. I found all to be very nice rides but all had varying degrees of muscle car pedigree. I eased into my adventure by first buying a 1968 AMX. This car had the 390 engine with the four speed. I had always liked those cars and still do. It had impressive handling characteristics and felt fairly powerful up into the mid 5000 rpm range. The disappointment was in the interior quality. On a one to ten scale, I would rate the car at 7.5 to 8.

 

Another purchase was a 1968 Hemi Roadrunner with a column shift automatic. Again, a nice car. Very sinister looking with "Hemi" on the hood scoop. The engine compartment was awsome looking.....wall to wall engine. Interior was spartan, but I liked that. The car was obviously engineered to compete at the drag races as it launched extremely well (in fact, better than any stock car I've owned). But, from the factory, it just didn't have the brute acceleration performance that I expected. I assume this performance increase was left for the enthusiast to wring out his wallet in after market parts. I would give the Roadrunner an 8 to 8.5.

Another Chrysler product was the 1970 TA Challenger 340 six pack. This car was equipped with an automatic transmission. These cars I had always admired. I thought it looked very predatory with the large rear tires and side exhaust. The car was very quick but not brutally so. The interior quality, I thought, was poor, especially the hard plastic door panels that I continually bruised my elbow on. I'd rate it a 6 to 6.5.

 

I then purchased several Shelby Mustangs. The first two where 350 models. One a 1966 350 H with automatic, the other a 1967 350 with the four speed. Both cars were obviously light weight, easy to drive, and handled well. Performance was good but not what I had expected as a fifteen year old looking at them through the show room window. I'd rate the 350's at a 7.5. Two other Shelbys I owned were a 1968 500 conv four speed and a 500KR with the C6 automatic. I'll have to say the cars lost a lot when going from the earlier 350's. The cars felt larger and heavier. The 428, for whatever reason, didn't seem to fit this car. When I bought the 500 conv I was told it would "push my eyeballs back in my head". It didn't. I'd rate these at a 5.5 to 6.

 

On the GM side I've owned many, but the two that stand out are the Corvettes. One was a 1967 427, 435 horse roadster I bought from the original owner with 33k miles. The other was a 1970 454 LS5 automatic. Both cars are nice to look at, the '67 more so than the '70. The 427 car was very torquey, had good power and performance. The paint, fit, and finish were poor at best, but this was typical of Corvettes back then. I worked in a body shop at a Buick dealership back in the late 60's so I was critical when it came to body and paint and the Corvettes were on the bottom for sure. The '70 LS5 was not at all fast. The front of the long nose was invisible from the driver's seat making it difficult to judge when parking. Instrument glass was plastic in the '67 and '70, but the mass production techniques were becoming more obvious by 1970 with usage of phony Allen head screws molded into the plastic dash and around the gauges, etc. Fit and finish got absolutely terrible. I'd rate the '70 at a 3 - 3.5 and the '67 at 7 - 7.5. I've owned others but these stand out as typical.

 

To put all this into perspective, I also own a 1951 Allard with a 331 Cadillac mounted with four two barrel Strombergs, running a three speed floor shift transmission, and side exhaust. It drives and handles like a truck relative to today's cars. It is not comfortable to drive long distances, stops poorly (again by today's standards), but it is a 10 as far as a fun package is concerned. It is what it is....no compromise....nothing pretentious.

 

Now for the Lark R3.

 

I look at the car as a genuine attempt by the company to make a super car. With its disc brakes, it stops equivalent to today's cars; it handles better than any American sedan of that era, and its acceleration performance is exhilarating. Its launching characteristic is not that of the Hemi Roadrunner but is still very good. The launch sensation of the car I actually like better as the car rises high on its suspension due to the top mount traction bars. Interior trim is excellent and actually superior to any of the Big Three. Probably due in part to limited production numbers and no attainable break even point for production tooling to manufacture vacuum formed door panels and carpets, phony plastic bolts around instruments, etc. Instead the interior has more of a hand crafted appearance. Carpets are wool and stitched to fit the contour of the floor; instruments are Stewart Warner using real chrome bezels and real glass. Some vacuum forming was used such as the padded dash; upholstery and door panels where heat seamed and stitched.The engine sounds great from the driver's seat(...... the mechanical sounds from the solid lifters, the whine of the Paxton supercharger, etc.) The clutch is stiff, but it needs to be.The seating position is high by today's standards, but it gives you sort of a command position while driving among today's cars. When you finally do exercise the car, all these sensations come together. Your hair rises on the back of your neck. As RPM rises so does blower output and horsepower. Unlike normal cars of that era, the performance and thrust increase with engine rpm instead of dropping off. In fact, you have to tell yourself to get out of the throttle before you damage something. Shifting at 5000 - 5500 rpm puts the rear of the car into a slight drift, shifting at 6000 - 6500 will literally melt the tires off the car.

Driving around town the car is very tight. The springing and damping characteristics are excellent. The car rides stiff, similar to a present day BMW. Seating is comfortable for its day and is just fine for around town. The 4.55 axle ratio is perfect for a 20 year old, but I get tired of it quickly and actually avoid trips over say 30 miles because of it. But, on the scale of 1 - 10, I'll give the Super Lark a 10. If I were to rank the factory effort put forth in its development I would give them a 15 on the 10 scale as I believe Studebaker put 150% effort into their super car program. Itís just a shame they could not have survived another year so as more of these adrenaline pumpers could have been built.

 

News from Tim Kobernik 

Tim writes: I thought you might like an update on the progress of R2 Package GT Hawk #64V8165.To recap I bought this car in July, 2002 from a longtime owner in Kansas City.It is Bordeaux Red with black vinyl Sportroof and black vinyl interior, Powershift and AM-FM radio.It appeared to be a nicely equipped version of a standard GT.There were a few puzzling things, however, like the brake fluid reservoir on the firewall, the traction bars on the Twin-Traction axle and the 160 mph speedometer, not to mention thatrubber hose attached to a piece of rusted off fuel return line.I sent in the serial number on the doorpost to get a production order and it came back saying the car was a run of the mill four speed in Laguna Blue!After talking to Andy Beckman I was just barely able to discern the secret serial number on the last frame rail (not an easy task on a typical Midwest car).The production order from this serial number matched the body tag numbers and showed it to be an R2 Package car equipped with engine number JTSJ318.

 

During a restoration in the early 70ís this car was equipped with a 259 with a four barrel and chrome valve covers, a Ford Cruisomatic and front drum brakes.It also had R1 badges placed on it.

 

So far my efforts have been spent on taking care of much needed maintenance, restoring the Studebaker disc brakes, reinstalling the backup light and starter switches on the shift linkage, replacing the fuel return line, replacing all the door gaskets and trunk gaskets, and starting the rebuild of a standard 289 to R2 performance specs.

 

My long range plans call for finishing the engine overhaul and installing it in the car.Then finding and installing all the R2 parts and lastly having the body repainted.In the meantime I intend to enjoy driving the car as much as possible.

 

Original Owners of í64 R2 Daytonas, Compiled by Andy Petrass

JTN production researcher Andy Petrass gathered the sales information from the production archives on the 11 í64 R2 Daytona hardtops that are missing in the Western US. Andy is also working on a list of dealer names to match with the dealer numbers. If anyone can help with names of Studebaker dealers that were in business in 1963 or the whereabouts of any people listed below, please share with Andy and your editor.

 

64V VIN

Buyer

Buyerís Address

City

State

Sale Date

Dealer #

1401

Apache Investment

PO Box A

Carmichael

CA

1-27-64

4096

1418

G. Woodward

2208 W Princeton

Fresno

CA

1-24-64

3892

1699

J.E. Foulkrod

2504 Arvet

Modesto

CA 

3-30-64

1436

4855

J. Reynolds

41 Laurel Ave

Del Paso

CA

7-30-64

3287

5045

W.A. Norton

415 Geneva Pl

Claremont

CA

5-20-64

4192

7795

W. Klein

8660 Colbath

Panorama

CA

9-6-64

4512

10299

J.A. Terry

PO Box 473

Minden

NV

8-20-64

4316

13341

A.R. Winsten

2073 Zavier Ct

Santa Clara

CA 

2-27-63 

4486

14023

W.A. Norton 

415 Geneva Pl

Claremont

CA 

12-04-63

4192

16197

T. Lally

986 Corona

Denver

CO

4-11-64

0408

19008

G. Ziegler

1196 Harold St

Crescent City

CA 

4-6-64

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Muscle Car Drags News from June

The following is a synopsis of articles published on the Internet Studebaker Newsgroup as posted by Ted Harbit and others plus a report from George Krem.

 
Richard Poe driving his Ď63 R1 Custom 2 door came close to getting into the 14s, posting a 
15.055. Doug Tjapkes driving his '63 R2 package GT Hawk automatic got into the
 14.90's.
 
A fellow named Steve Clay owned a portable dynamometer on the premises
and 
was charging to have your car rear-wheel "dynoed" if you wanted...but he was
 so taken with The R3 Plain Brown Wrapper that he asked 
us to bring it back and he would "dyno" it for free! The whole procedure and 
readout are more complicated than it would appear. The R3 really strained at the Plain 
Brown Wrapper's tethers and produced peak 365.1 BHP at the rear wheels with a fully
 loaded drivetrain at 5830 RPM. 
 
Plain Brown Wrapper performed flawlessly; absolutely no belt slip, breakage, or traction problems other 
than a little wheel spin, depending on how Ted launched. PBW also set two new quarter-mile
 records for itself: 111.35 MPH and 12.85 second ET. 
 
PBW won its 
2-out-of-3 shootout in the first two runs, beating a dead sharp, 1969 396/4-speed Nova 
Coupe that is Certified Stock. The Nova has run as fast as 12.47 at this event. 
 
With only
 one car, was a lot more relaxing or maybe it was because we didn't have to constantly be
 trying to correct things (blower belts, hopping, etc.). Big thanks go to Nimesh Solanki 
and Nelson Bove for solving these two 
headaches.No (or very little hopping) and boost held 8 pound to the finish line.
 

Muscle Car Drags News from September

The following is a synopsis of articles published on the Internet Studebaker Newsgroup as posted by Ted Harbit.

 

Both Richard Poe and Doug Tjapkes returned. Richard was paired with Peter Santís R2 Avanti in
 the shootout and won two out of three is a very close match. Richard ran 14.729 sec
 ET @ 93.94 mph. Doug had his '63 R2 Hawk there and just missed getting into the 14's 
with a 15.04 @ 93.68 mph.
 

Ted planned to put Stude Tomato, the í63 R2 Custom, through the certification process. 
He was successful. The inspection involved head cc, valve lift and compression check among
 other things. At the strip Friday morning, the car had a miss in fourth gear about 5500 
and the tach jumped around.Points cleaning, 
resetting, putting in another condensor, coil, etc., did not help.Times were all in the 13's except one that was 14.3 when let off knowing the 
miss was still there.Best and qualifying 
shootout time was 13.64.We were paired in 
the Saturday shoot out with a '68 400 cu. in. Ram Air GTO as his time was 13.60. Ted 
also had trouble getting a decent 60' time. Best was the first one at 2.18 and the
 rest were 2.2's to 2.3's.
 

Friday night back at the hotel, Nelson Bove, Ted and Tim Kobernik took the Delco
 window distributor, cap, wires, coil, etc., out of the Tedís truck and put in the
 Tomato and put the dual point Prestolite in the truck. The Delco worked fine in the
 truck but with the weak advance springs, the truck sounds like a bunch of pop bottles 
rattling in low speed pulling so set the timing back. The Delco has the Pertronix 
Ignitor and Coil and Saturday morning the miss was gone and the tach was steady now
 but it still "flattened" out about a 100 feet from the finish line.Supercharger belt slippage may be the reason.
 
In 
the shoot out we got lucky as the rpm and clutch feathering must have been about right
 as it got a 2.14 sixty foot time.Power shifted 
it as felt we would need all we could get to stay with the GTO and won the first round 
but was amazed when looked at the et slip that read 13.37.The carís previous best was 13.41.
 
In the
 second round, we were just as lucky as got a 2.12 sixty foot time.Ted stayed in it again to see if it would run that good again. Ted won that 
round with a 13.30. At 0.3 sec better than the qualifying time, the shootout was 
forfeited to the GTO. The GTO pulled into the pits and we followed him to tell him he
 won because of this and told him we could go a third round if he wanted.He agreed but the track officials turned them down.

 

Cars wanted

A JTN reader is looking for a í64 JT convertible, contact your editor.

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Parts wanted

Lionel Stone, Paxton supercharger cores, 4476 Matilija Ave., Sherman Oaks, CA 91423 call 818-990-8916

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R2 Hawk engine parts needed; water manifold, tensioner, mounting bracket, pulleys, carburetor, air cleaner and bonnet for the restoration of R2 Package GT Hawk 64V8165.Tim Kobernik, PO Box 404, Mazomanie, WI 53560, (608)225-5471, Tim64vk6@yahoo.com

 

Parts For Sale

www.studebakervendors.com is the place where customers and vendors meet. Forget the phone, the mail and SASE. All the major vendors are listed on Studebaker Vendors. Just point, click and view. Most vendors have Email, and many have on-line shopping carts. Studebaker Vendors, your one-stop shopping mall.