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bams50
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  5:54:02 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
We've heard about this car, and now it's for sale What'll it do- $30K?

https://tinyurl.com/yggaf73

Edited to add a SECOND R3! See below.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


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Kurt
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:05:17 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
At least. Wish I could afford it.

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mbstude
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:08:12 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit mbstude's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I love how the ad refers to my YouTube videos.

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DEEPNHOCK
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:11:15 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I would be real surprised if it got close to that..
(But I would like to be real surprised)
Jeff


quote:
Originally posted by bams50

We've heard about this car, and now it's for sale What'll it do- $30K?

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comatus
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:14:39 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I don't want to be that guy, but.

I'd have to see that factory traction control (on mine that's called "wheelspin") and 3.33 rear end. Best I could do was 3.31.
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JBOYLE
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:17:38 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I was looking at the Old Cars Price Guide yesterday...
It said something like an R-3 is worth 60% more than an R-1.
If that's the case, it should bering more than $30K

I was a bit surprised, it said a #1 R-1 was only worth $30K...that means a perfect trailered car.
There aren't too many Avantis that fit that description, how many were trailered to the Iowa meet?
They say a #2 car (which would be a high point car at SDC meets)is only worth $19K...seems a bit low.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
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Dick Steinkamp
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:33:16 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JBOYLE

They say a #2 car (which would be a high point car at SDC meets)is only worth $19K...seems a bit low.





Low if you're an owner or a seller...high if you're a buyer

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Bellingham, WA


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Mr Speed 53
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  6:49:22 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I am curious to see how much its worth beacause I have a white/orange 63 R-3 4speed Avanti also on u-tube.I feel lucky to have it and dont plan on selling! Ed
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Laemmle
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:11:41 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
For a clone car?



quote:
Originally posted by bams50

We've heard about this car, and now it's for sale What'll it do- $30K?

https://tinyurl.com/yggaf73

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


GOD BLESS AMERICA







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Laemmle
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:13:50 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hey Ed,

If the bozos on the beltway continue on their current course..you might have to re-think your statement:-(


quote:
Originally posted by Mr Speed 53

I am curious to see how much its worth beacause I have a white/orange 63 R-3 4speed Avanti also on u-tube.I feel lucky to have it and dont plan on selling! Ed

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Mr Speed 53
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:21:09 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I believe the engine in the e-bay car was in So Bend at a may swap meet?cant remember the year but the engine was beautiful.Thought it alone sold for the 20k range.Ed
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barnlark
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:25:32 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I wish him luck, but the name dropping and certain pictures with poor detailing may be more of a hinderance, rather than appeal to a serious money buyer.

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bams50
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:38:04 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laemmle

For a clone car?



Yes, I think so. I think it is a top-notch car and engine. I bet he paid Solanki all of that for the engine, conversion and labor. It appears he has done everything all-out, no expense spared. But Dave is right, it rates a MUCH more professional listing- how about the interior shot with the dirty camera lens?

A few years ago, I bet it would have done $50K plus; times what they are, I'm guessing 30. The guys that can afford that kind of money for a toy/investment that I know are successful businessmen that can buy but are very nervous about the near future, so they're reducing debt and battening down the hatches. In any case it's fun to guess at the price and see what happens

I just LOVE those wheels. I'd love a set but can't imagine what they're worth

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


GOD BLESS AMERICA





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Jessie J.
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:40:09 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
My #1 concern on this one would be, is this R-3 equipped with the genuine factory production R-3 cylinder heads?
Or are they 'Nimesh modified' standard heads?
That would make a substantial difference in the value. Buying a rare engine like this one is alleged to be, it would be advisable for one to do their homework first, and make certain they are actually getting what it is, that they are going to be paying for.
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Dick Steinkamp
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:45:27 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bams50


I just LOVE those wheels. I'd love a set but can't imagine what they're worth


They are about $300 each...

https://www.newstalgiawheel.com/wheel_detail.asp?subcat3=1091100

There are other similar knock offs that are less expensive.








[/quote]

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA



Edited by - Dick Steinkamp on 11/01/2009 7:45:51 PM
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bams50
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  7:48:44 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Holy cow, thanks for the link, Dick. I've got that bookmarked for later reference

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


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Avanti82
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  8:00:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was a much better numbers matching original Super Charged car on eBay a few weeks ago that was a musuem car. It looked near perfect and only got to $19,000 on eBay and did not meet reserve.

The interior on this clone looks a little rough and it has been "butchered" by removing the automatic transmission and adding the four speed. I would bet that this car will probably not reach $19,000 in the bidding. The market is pretty bad for cars and aircraft right now. I would not think this car would be very desirable to a serious collector.

Steve
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JDP
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  8:11:44 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit JDP's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

I would be real surprised if it got close to that..
(But I would like to be real surprised)
Jeff


quote:
Originally posted by bams50

We've heard about this car, and now it's for sale What'll it do- $30K?






No way it will be close to 30K if someone wants it, the engine alone was in the 25K range and the car "should" bring 50K plus.

JDP/Maryland
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PackardV8
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  8:48:33 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
We'll all be watching, but I'm betting it doesn't meet reserve. A modified car is one person's vision. Finding a buyer with the same money who shares that vision doesn't happen often.

thnx, jack vines

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JDP
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  8:53:30 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit JDP's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I agree, it may not make reserve on ebay. Another Avanti converted with a "B" motor sold for 75K at Barrette Jackson, or the like, and this one could be at least as nice, but ebay might not be the venue.

JDP/Maryland
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Swifster
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  9:16:01 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I'll say it'll do around $45K. With it being a clone, the engine is worth $25K and the rest $15K (IMO). We'll see how it goes.

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1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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Guido
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  9:55:39 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Swifster

I'll say it'll do around $45K. With it being a clone, the engine is worth $25K and the rest $15K (IMO). We'll see how it goes.

Tom,

You may want to check your math.....

25K
15K
40K

Just helping out.

Decimal Dude

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bams50
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  10:32:45 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JDP


the engine alone was in the 25K range and the car "should" bring 50K plus.






That's what I thought, but factoring in the economics I'm guessing 30, reserve not met.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


GOD BLESS AMERICA





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sals54
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  11:28:23 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Swifster, I think you're on the money for the $45K. Was the R3 option also a dealer installed option? If so, would that not make this car potentially a "correct" R3? Even if its not one of the original factory R3s, would it not still be considered a correct R3? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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StudeRich
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  11:47:59 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sals54

Swifster, I think you're on the money for the $45K. Was the R3 option also a dealer installed option? If so, would that not make this car potentially a "correct" R3? Even if its not one of the original factory R3s, would it not still be considered a correct R3? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


I think for a car like this to have a serious value, it would have to be a well documented original, installed by a Dealer or at Paxton Products like most were.

I do know of such a car that was an R2 4 speed with a Dealer installed R3 replacement engine with documentation, but we already know this car definitely is NOT!

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JDP
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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  11:52:29 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit JDP's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sals54

Swifster, I think you're on the money for the $45K. Was the R3 option also a dealer installed option? If so, would that not make this car potentially a "correct" R3? Even if its not one of the original factory R3s, would it not still be considered a correct R3? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

sals54




It's a recent swap, not done back in the 60's.

JDP/Maryland
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Thomas63R2
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  12:01:29 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Easy prediction: it will be sold, and the buyer will not be among the replies on this topic.

Thomas
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JDP
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  12:07:28 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit JDP's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thomas63R2

Easy prediction: it will be sold, and the buyer will not be among the replies on this topic.

Thomas



It won't be me, I put in a healthy, more than I can really afford bid, and did not hit the reserve.

JDP/Maryland
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clonelark
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  02:42:25 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Everyone is knocking this car for being a clone, so what, find an original one of the nine R-3 Avanti's. How many have been for sale. The car is quite nice, and was done by someone who was quite knowledgeable in R-3s. As for the heads, id have to know what heads were on it, ask the owner, if not real R3 heads price accordingly. He is about a month early or i'd be on it also.

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studegary
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  12:49:39 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sals54

Swifster, I think you're on the money for the $45K. Was the R3 option also a dealer installed option? If so, would that not make this car potentially a "correct" R3? Even if its not one of the original factory R3s, would it not still be considered a correct R3? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

sals54



Many R3s were assembled after the factory ten (nine Avantis), but I do not believe that they were ever a factory authorized optional item.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

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PackardV8
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  3:35:16 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Clones may get a few looks at a show, but they don't get no respect at auction. Car collectors are a picky lot. Studebaker collectors are picky-picky. My estimate is one of the nine factory R3s is worth 2-3 times as much a clone in equal condition.

Same with Corvettes. They are picky-picky-picky, because there are several times more '67 435hp 427" convertibles running today than GM built. Those documented cars are also worth 3-4 times more than a clone.

Lots of perfect hemi Cuda convertible clones running around for 100k$, but one of the six or so factory originals brings a million, ten times as much, so are Mopar collectors picky to the tenth power?

The Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association has a team of certification inspectors who will determine whether it is a genuine Tiger or a converted Alpine. Often the converted Alpines are better built than the originals, but worth less than half as much.

As always, your car, your money, your decision on what and how to build. The market will decide for you what it is worth.

thnx, jack vines



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Edited by - PackardV8 on 11/02/2009 5:31:49 PM
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Swifster
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  4:54:58 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clonelark

Everyone is knocking this car for being a clone, so what, find an original one of the nine R-3 Avanti's. How many have been for sale. The car is quite nice, and was done by someone who was quite knowledgeable in R-3s. As for the heads, id have to know what heads were on it, ask the owner, if not real R3 heads price accordingly. He is about a month early or i'd be on it also.



There are extremely few 'clones' that will bring anywhere near original pricing. The PBW would be one of those because of the documentation going back to the original purchase. It probably wouldn't bring the same money as Nelson's Commander, but it would be close because it was completed not long after purchase.

There were numerous engine swaps made at the dealershipship level (Royal Pontiac, Berger Chevrolet, Yenko Chevrolet, etc.) that will bring big money if the documentation is right. A lot of 427 Chevelles were sold in '68-'69, but if the paperwork has been lost the car isn't worth what it could be. I'd love one of the few Royal Bobcats (GTO) that left Royal Pontiac with a tri-Power 421.

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1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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mbstude
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  5:03:29 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit mbstude's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I wonder what happened to those YouTube videos on the ebay car... Looks like they got deleted.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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clonelark
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  6:01:31 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Well if i had to choose, i'd pic the PBW over Nels car. Both are very nice. Guess thats the old drag racer in me.

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Swifster
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  6:33:50 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I would think tuned and with the same driver, Nelson's car would be just as fast. I like blue better than brown though. Of course I'd drool over both paint jobs.

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1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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R2Andy
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Posted - 11/02/2009 :  11:28:24 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
One of the problems with so many of the R3 "clones" is that they aren't accurate. There is so much more to an R3 car besides just plopping an engine with the heads and air box between the fenders.

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Jessie J.
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  09:52:31 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The PBW has a documented racing 'pedigree' that is only surpassed by the 'Chicken Hawk'.
This is the famous Studebaker that has actually 'been there, and done that', as is well documented in photos, video, and numerous Turning Wheels references and articles.
As one who has had the pleasure year after year of watching the PBW, with Ted at the wheel, take on, and consistently defeat some of the most famous American Muscle Cars ever built, this car and its credentials have been unsurpassed in establishing (in the public eye) the performance capabilities of the R-3 powered Studebaker's.

I grew up in a time when 'performance minded people', my 'bench racing buddies', actually laughed out loud at any suggestion that a Studebaker! powered Studebaker could ever be the equal of their vaunted 'Big Three' real Muscle Cars.
They no longer laugh when a Studebaker comes to the line at the PSMCD's, not even at the 'lowly' R-1 or R-2 models, which have also proven quite effective at defeating Muscle Cars having a 100 cubic inch, or horsepower advantage.

While Nelson's Commander is desirable, it is the exploits of The PBW that made, and that keep it relevant.
True, it is the one, and the only original factory R-3 Lark, on that basis alone it represents a pinnacle of Studebaker desirability.
But other than that, it is little more than a final footnote to a story of Studebaker's failure.
The PBW on the other hand is a testament to Studebaker's actual performance potential. A Winner!, a victorious defender of the 'Name', and the reputation of our once proud marque.


Edited by - Jessie J. on 11/03/2009 09:57:49 AM
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JDP
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  10:20:06 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit JDP's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jessie J.

The PBW has a documented racing 'pedigree' that is only surpassed by the 'Chicken Hawk'.
This is the famous Studebaker that has actually 'been there, and done that', as is well documented in photos, video, and numerous Turning Wheels references and articles.
As one who has had the pleasure year after year of watching the PBW, with Ted at the wheel, take on, and consistently defeat some of the most famous American Muscle Cars ever built, this car and its credentials have been unsurpassed in establishing (in the public eye) the performance capabilities of the R-3 powered Studebaker's.

I grew up in a time when 'performance minded people', my 'bench racing buddies', actually laughed out loud at any suggestion that a Studebaker! powered Studebaker could ever be the equal of their vaunted 'Big Three' real Muscle Cars.
They no longer laugh when a Studebaker comes to the line at the PSMCD's, not even at the 'lowly' R-1 or R-2 models, which have also proven quite effective at defeating Muscle Cars having a 100 cubic inch, or horsepower advantage.

While Nelson's Commander is desirable, it is the exploits of The PBW that made, and that keep it relevant.
True, it is the one, and the only original factory R-3 Lark, on that basis alone it represents a pinnacle of Studebaker desirability.
But other than that, it is little more than a final footnote to a story of Studebaker's failure.
The PBW on the other hand is a testament to Studebaker's actual performance potential. A Winner!, a victorious defender of the 'Name', and the reputation of our once proud marque.





While I agree with the thrust of your post, Nelson's car has much more real world value, and that's takes nothing away from the PBR. Any collectors willing to part with the big bucks for the only production R3 Lark would care little about drag racing history. having said that, they are both worth more than I can afford.

JDP/Maryland
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Jessie J.
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  1:47:26 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yeah, but when it comes to Studebaker's, I don't live in the 'real world', never have, never will.
It is my dreams (most all of which I have never been able to afford) that never die.

In a 'real world'... my first choice would probably be a nice new Camry...NOT!!! NO WAY!!! NO HOW!!!
I'll just cherish my old Stude's, and my dreams of the ones that I can't afford,.. and the ones that I let 'get away'.

The things I value most in this world, are not valued according to what anyone else is willing to pay, but by what is most meaningful to me.
Life is short, and its best things are priceless.


JJ/Kentucky

Edited by - Jessie J. on 11/03/2009 1:57:34 PM
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bams50
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  4:33:51 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JDP


Any collectors willing to part with the big bucks for the only production R3 Lark would care little about drag racing history.




I think that's probably correct in this instance; but interestingly it seems the opposite is true for big 3 racers. I saw a 70 Chevelle Convertible, BB 4-speed on BJ a year or two ago. Normal B-J price for that car was maybe $75-150K. But this one had belonged to a famous drag racer (don't recall who) and had his name stenciled on the car. Sale price? One Million dollars

It's a funny hobby...

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


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JBOYLE
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  4:58:55 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I agree with Jack Vines....

Average guys don't mind clones...they see them as a way to have a nice car at a semi-reasonable price. And since most high dollar muscle cars were based on common affordable cars to begin with, it's fairly easy to make a near perfect replica. Pay 1/10th for an identical car...where only a VIN reader will know the difference?
Sure, I'll take one. I don't know aboutthe rest of you guys but I have other things to spend money on.

Serious collectors don't like them. They're going for museum pieces.
I doubt if the owner of a million dollar Hemi' cuda will be driving it much or having fun like the clone owner will.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Edited by - JBOYLE on 11/03/2009 5:00:03 PM
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Mr Speed 53
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  5:40:59 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I am very happy with my clone Avanti engine B109.The car was once owned by Maryann Harbit and then by George Krem I bought it from Dick Stuart.George installed the engine around 1969 and was told by Paxton it was built with the last set of R-3 heads they had.It also was built with a standard R1-R2 oil pan, single breather valve covers and R-5 dished pistons.I had to basic mechanical items to get it back on the road after a 30 year nap.It has been very reliable and driven to a lot of Stude events.I feel lucky to have it no matter what the value! Ed
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Bordeaux Daytona
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  9:13:32 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Speed 53

I am very happy with my clone Avanti engine B109.The car was once owned by Maryann Harbit and then by George Krem I bought it from Dick Stuart.George installed the engine around 1969 and was told by Paxton it was built with the last set of R-3 heads they had.It also was built with a standard R1-R2 oil pan, single breather valve covers and R-5 dished pistons.I had to basic mechanical items to get it back on the road after a 30 year nap.It has been very reliable and driven to a lot of Stude events.I feel lucky to have it no matter what the value! Ed



I hope Ed doesn't mind if I post some pictures of his Avanti.



John V.
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Thomas63R2
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  12:44:28 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Auctions can be fickle venues, witness the million dollar collector car haircut: https://jalopnik.com/5379095/truppi+kling-chevelle-drag-racer-depreciates-1-million-in-3-years-new-owner-gets-screamin-deal I can't help but think that the low closing price was the result of:
1) Put back on the market too soon, and at an iffy time.
2) That it was very poorly marketed this time around compared with the fabulous job that B-J did in 2006.

I'm an all makes enthusiast who also owns a couple of brand X collector cars - and even with the legendary racing record (and the successful hoodwinking of NHRA officials to make that record possible), the $1.2m sale of the Truppi-Kling LS6 Chevelle was an anomoly - and the memory of that highwater B-J sale price may have spoiled the car for bidding action. The new owner will probably only need to wait a few years to remarket the car for a realistic $600k. Easy.

The reason why I think this R3 tribute Avanti will go to someone outside of normal Stude enthusiast channels is that it will take an outsider's perspective to see the value.

Thomas
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Bellingham Studenut
Cruiser Member

USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  01:51:31 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The Historic Provenance of any vehicle can be as valuable (or more) to buyers, as Rarity.
It can have a history, or famous person in it's past.
Aunt Bea's Lark price is a perfect example (would it sell for $20,000 if it wasn't?).
If a custom was done by George Barris the value jumps etc.
The rarity also needs demand. A high demand for more common brand X cars can bring more $ than many rare Studes.
Many rare Studes seem undervalued (by many others), but that comes from demand and supply.
Many people enjoy and value the cars, based on personal ownership attachment.
The car being sold is a desirable model with a rare engine (not a clone engine) and is in great condition.
The history of the car may not bring as much on Ebay as a factory, or dealer installed R3 Avanti, but only 1 fortunate bidder can have a chance to bring/create historic moments into their life enjoying this car!
The car will only sell if the buyer meets, or beats the sellers agreed reserve. Timing, economy, etc can all be factors.

James


The Bell Collection
Bellingham, WA.

Edited by - Bellingham Studenut on 11/04/2009 02:00:49 AM
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bams50
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  04:31:37 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Thomas63R2

Auctions can be fickle venues, witness the million dollar collector car haircut: https://jalopnik.com/5379095/truppi+kling-chevelle-drag-racer-depreciates-1-million-in-3-years-new-owner-gets-screamin-deal


Exactly the car I was referring to in my above post. Thanks for the link!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


GOD BLESS AMERICA





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bams50
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  05:42:23 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Now comes a SECOND R3 Avanti!:

https://tinyurl.com/ylb4vgw

It will be interesting to see what R3 Avanti buyers will do...

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


GOD BLESS AMERICA





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DEEPNHOCK
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  06:18:44 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I wonder about 'either' engine being correct, since one was purchased, and the other had over 100,000 miles on it.
A question to ask, fer sure.
Jeff


quote:
Originally posted by bams50

Now comes a SECOND R3 Avanti!:
https://tinyurl.com/ylb4vgw
It will be interesting to see what R3 Avanti buyers will do...

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